Just another college girl fightin' the patriarchy

I decided that I can try to articulate my point as much as I want, but no one can say why porn is harmful like the porn users themselves. The very fact that these people are using these quotes to explain why porn is HEALTHY should be all you need to hear to realize how much porn can warp even “normal” users’ minds. I apologize for having lost the citations. Also before you accuse me of picking the most extreme examples, I have over 50 pages of these quotes. Even cutting it down to this incredibly long series was a challenge.

Do I dehumanize them somewhat? Of course. Why would I worry about their feelings or any of that nonsense, why would I attach an emotional significance to them? You do have to objectify them otherwise it defeats the purpose of watching porn, what use is a fantasy when you attach to it, that level of reality.source

The girls in the photos aren’t real to him. They are just body parts…no personality, no character, no charms. He loves you for the person you are, and respects you. That’s why he told you that he didn’t use the photos of you, because he didn’t want to think of you as a piece of meat.source

The obvious implication being that women in porn are pieces of meat.

Porn is a premade fake, what you’re looking at is not a person.source

Within the confines of decency and morality Women are rightly sexual objects to Men. Nature designed us that way and the survival of the species demands it.source

Porn movies don’t complain endlessly,you can put it away for months without it saying a thing,you dont have to talk to it,you dont have to buy it stupid flowers or presents,you don’t have to meet its dumb family,it doesn’t bleed once a month,its much smarter and the sex is much better.Why wouldn’t men watch it?source

Lesson: Porn is easy, real women are complicated.

No man finds a plump 40yo woman attractive unless he is a pathetic loser that has set his expectations so low as to not allow himself to look up. Men will always want the 18yo hottie. We stay with the 40yo because we’re stuck with her as it’s too expensive to divorce her. Hopefully, men will realise not to buy the cow so soon and wait a bit longer and then get the 18yo hottie.source

Porn doesn’t raise expectations. It’s entirely reasonable for the unattractive 40 year old man to deserve an 18 year old “hottie” sex slave, since that’s how it is in porn.

Whilst I’m not convinced the majority of men are turned on by Gonzo sex, it’s common knowledge the men don’t have to feel emotion when having sex.source

Meaning while masturbating to pornography, men don’t have to feel empathy or guilt since those things do not matter during sex.

Here’s a hot tip for a lot of you women out there.
Pay attention the kind of porn which your man enjoys to watch. There is a good chance that you don’t engage in these particular activities with him as often as he would like.
For example, if you read interviews with high priced prostitutes, you will find that most of their time is not spent with plain intercourse.
Start asking the question ‘Why?’ and stop the ignorance.source

It is always a woman’s duty to sacrifice her own well-being in bed to “service” her man, and to act like a prostitute. The fact that prostitutes do what is asked of them rather than doing what they want for fun doesn’t matter. Porn teaches that women gain pleasure only from giving men pleasure.

I’m lucky because not only do I know how to find free porn so I don’t have to pay for it, but I am also a pervert so nothing disgusts me.
Oh and my fiancee is hot so no problems there. Perhaps if women took better care of their bodies and wore more make up men wouldn’t have the need to fantasise about others in order to achieve orgasm?source

It is a woman’s duty to spend all her time primping to keep her man from using porn. If he does use porn she’s a failure as a woman. And even though this guy’s girlfriend is “hot” he still uses porn, while claiming if women were hotter their men wouldn’t use porn. Of course porn doesn’t raise expectations to unrealistic levels though.

It never ceases to amuse me when women tell men how we should view women and what is “right” and what is a woman’s market value based on her own subjective assessment of her worth.
Men like porn. We don’t need all that lovey-dovey crap in order to have sex. Get over it. Get used to it. The feminists set us free and now the market will determine your worth.source

Women: things to be valued and priced.

fights for a world in which women have power
And THIS is the very reason why this “hardcore porn” is so popular.

Men have always been able to make a distinction between the love they have for their wives, and the sex they have with their mistresses or prostitutes.source

Lesson: Men are entitled to sex.

I use porn as a resource and a way to increase my skill in the bedroom. I approach a good bang session as a movie, where I’m the director, and I synthesize new plots, dialogue, and movements from watching tons or video and pulling things together and creating new fantasies. In this way, I think porn is an invaluable resource, and will become more valuable as free online porn evolves.source

And I’d like to break it to several of you who posted here, that while some of the more commercial cheesy stuff might be a bit “faked”, most of it isn’t. A consent form is filled out, with limitations that will be pushed. A safe word is given, and after that control is in the dominant’s hands. The tears are as real as the orgasms, fantasies are met and exceeded in a safe and controlled way, whats NOT OK with that? (If those involved didn’t *like* it, they surely wouldn’t continue to do it, and can/could have put a stop to it at anytime)source

As long as a consent form is filled out (which you can’t ensure) it’s perfectly OK to push a woman to tears, extreme pain, and vomiting to fulfill male sexual fantasies. Because a consent form=her personal fantasy, not her personal financial troubles.

So he’s looking at porn. Well, are you giving him the enthusiastic sex any man appreciates, or the PC kind in which everything is always gentle, you never give him oral, and it’s all in ‘dignified’ positions so you don’t feel ‘oppressed’ or ‘objectified’, the thought of bondage or spanking is right out, and you climax with decorum, if at all?source

Lesson: women force men to use porn because they demand respect, dignity, and to be treated in a way that doesn’t physically hurt. The underlying message: men use porn because they need to degrade, humiliate, and hurt.

He isnt cheating on you because these are porn stars, its what they do. But with porn you can watch anything to fulfil your needs, orgys, threesomes, anal, s&m, big cocks, big boobs, black, white, etc etc. Its nothing to worry about, unless it gets to the point that hes having more of a relationship with the porn than his girlfriend.

If a woman can’t fulfill all his physical wants, such as being Asian on Tuesday and Swedish on Wednesday and bigger breasted on Thursday, etc… he has every right to use porn. Porn is a relationship, and he’s entitled to have an equal relationship with porn as with a living human. It’s only fair and certainly not cheating since porn stars aren’t human.

I don’t think porn is cheating,…
alot of women think it is but their views about sex are off
because most guys will watch regaurdless of wether or not your okay with it.source

If a woman disagrees with a man, she is wrong since she is a woman and women’s views on sex don’t matter as much. Therefore it doesn’t matter how she feels, since she is a woman and she is wrong.

But there is something extreme or emotionally satisfying about cumming on a woman and seeing it on her. I wouldn’t liken it to a dog marking a lamppost, but it may be a male dominance thing.source

I can’t imagine anything more unerotic that porn approved by sour faced feminists.
What makes porn exciting is the transgressive nature of the acts portrayed – the abuse and degradation that women seem to be happy to endure for money.
We watch porn to live out the fantasies that we cannot actualise.
Does it degrade women? Of course but not much more than conventional work does.source

The following two are in response to someone feeling guilty about watching porn where drunk girls are “taken advantage” of.

There are heaps of movies on the popular porn sites where drunk girls are taken advantage of so I don’t think this is out of the ordinary porn. As long you’re not watching anything illegal I don’t think you’re corrupt.source

Because assaulting drunk women isn’t illegal or wrong, it’s just ordinary. Lesson: Rape is ordinary and OK.

Sometimes I also watch stuff about girls being drunk and taken advantage of, etc. There is nothing wrong with it, its just something in a males mind in which they enjoy being dominant, but as long as your not going out and using the date rape drug, its fine. Infact, watching that type of pornography is probably healthy to get your doesage of “over-dominace” out of your system so it doesnt occur in real life.source

Just like drinking more helps you be less of an alcoholic, watching rape porn helps you rape less. This is because, according to this poster, men are supposedly hardwired to rape, so it’s healthy to gain pleasure from raping women. Make no mistake, having sex with drunk women is rape.

Not to sound cruel, but 90% of the time girls fake orgasms, so … just fake your interest in sex.. Guys with low libido’s just cant have sex because they cant get hard, but opposed to you not getting wet (which is why they invented lube), you could just pretend to be interested once in a while until your off the meds.source

Lesson: The only reason women have sex is to please men, so women should lube up and put out regardless of whether they want to.

Ironically, the more I watch porn, the more I don’t feel anything about it. I don’t know why.

Like a drug, porn requires more and more intensity to cause the same feelings.

where as women will clean the house again etc whilst bored, men just tend to think of the first thing that comes to mind…. sex..source

Women get off to domestic chores the same way men get off to porn.

Is it so terrible if we have reached a point where men and women really don’t need each other as much anymore and that they view each other more as sexual objects than life-long partners?source

Give him a break, [porn] has nothing to do with you it’s just something most guys do. Just enjoy the great way your marriage is going right now.source

This was in response to a woman talking about how she’s been miserable since the discovery of the porn. But of course the marriage is going great, since the man is getting laid as much as he wants.

Typical women responses. “Why does he need porn, he has me?” Men are not like women, we have different sexual drives. Men are driven to want to have sex with many different women hence why men want porn, so they can get that urge of different women out of the way. Basically you need to understand that us men are not like you and that you will never understand it. Its just that we have an urge to be with other women and porn is how thats fulfilled.source

Ah the burden of being male, this need to penetrate all women on the planet. Women need to deal, because any pain they feel from a porn-using partner can’t even be close to the pain of a man not getting enough variety in his sex partners.

as a male speaking , men only look at porn for the simple fact of seeing women naked & having sex for the pure reason of wishing it was them .
females are absolutely right to why men watch porn ,they want to see women naked and having sex ,so as to imagine it is them.source

Ladies, please stop attempting to answer whether or not men need porn!!! I would never answer what it feels like to get a period, so how are your comments on what it feels like to be a man relevant?source

Again, the burden of a penis. Getting off to porn=getting a period. He claims to not say what it’s like to have a period, yet in that comparison he just has. Interesting.

OK – its clear that most of the ladies don’t like men using porn, and that’s a good reason for men to keep hiding it.source

Because again, women’s views and feelings are invalid. Therefore, how women feel should be disregarded.

I’m a heterosexual male, and i happen to know that thats just the way it works. we do. we can’t help it. just like you can’t help buying handbags and shoes.source

Even though most women buy purses and shoes to be more attractive, to fit mens’ views about what an attractive woman should look like. Do you think men watch porn to be more attractive? Further, shoes and purses are objects. Does that mean women in porn are objects too?

Comments on: "Porn Users Explain Why Porn Is Healthy Part 1" (44)

  1. kurukurushoujo said:

    And people accuse Dworkin of being man-hating when she said that intercourse is a means of asserting social dominance. I don’t think we can ever repay her for the burden she took upon herself by writing the things she did. She’s still relevant, much more so than all that queer-we-all-want-equality-wheeee-don’t-be-a-hater-bullshit.

    Men like porn. We don’t need all that lovey-dovey crap in order to have sex. Get over it. Get used to it. The feminists set us free and now the market will determine your worth.

    Thank God feminists set you “free” so that your all-out assholery finally has a chance to be sanctioned with hate.

    • For my bad, I was under the illusion for all my ‘I’m sexually attractive to the men life’ that Dworkin was a harridan; she gives a cast iron argument against pornograhpy that, as you so rightly point out, is still relevent. How I wish now I’d picked up her books sooner; though I’m glad I finally sought her out and read her impressive words.

      • I struggled to get around to reading her because of the hate against her, but I now know why she’s SO hated. Because there is no real argument that can be made against her because her arguments are completely rock-solid, there is no counter-argument to be made. So all that was left to do was spread lies about her and act like she is evil. If they could ostracize her enough, people would be frightened to read her and her dangerous ideas would stay out of public view. If every woman was given a copy of just one of her books I think the world would be a different place.

  2. All heterosexual women need to read (and really understand) these very common comments from males. They need to understand that the majority of males think exactly this way about females, and for the remainder, it is a slightly watered-down degree of this.

    If males are going to quote the ‘nature imperative’ (ie the dick imperative), then fine examples are the black widow who devours the male after impregnation. We females could learn from that (after all, we are continually being told of the natural order of things).

    • Doktor Sleepless said:

      I think all hetero men need to see this too, and see how foolish all the pro-porn arguments are and the terrifying ideas underlying them all.

  3. Useful stuff and horrifying. Where are the quotes from? thanks.

  4. It’s funny how they complain that women get their period, but wouldn’t dream of divorcing a woman in her 40s (despite this being a time when her periods could and sometimes do stop).

    This is an excellent summary; it’s good to know what porn users are thinking.

  5. what is the website? thanks. this is invaluable research.

  6. This is what men really think of women which is we aren’t human. Instead we are all supposedly men’s disposable sexual service stations and when a woman reaches a certain age she can be traded in like a used car because men supposedly innately need a disposable sexualised object who slavishly caters to their every whim.

    Sadly, many women will continue to deny men hate us and/or hold us in contempt because accepting the truth means the world is not what patriarchy/male supremacy constantly claims. Instead we live in a world wherein many. many men do hate/and/or hold women in contempt because men claim they are the only humans.

    This the reality of living in a male supremacist/patriarchal system – a system which claims men have the right to dehumanise women because only men are human and hence only men can be harmed.

    ‘Porn stars aren’t human’ claimed one man – what he means is all women aren’t human – they just exist for men to use, abuse and then discard. Then there’s the male claim ‘basically you need to understand that us men are not like you and that you will never understand it. Its just that we have an urge to be with other women and porn is how thats fulfilled.’

    Anti-feminists claim feminists are ‘essentalist’ – wrong because feminists have always stated male sexuality is not biologically driven but is socially constructed and men are not biologically ruled by their sexual feelings or desires which is why not all men rape women. But porn promotes the myth men are ruled by their penises which is diametrically opposite to male supremacist claims men are rational beings not ruled by their emotions! Can’t have it both ways boys – either you are all potential rapists or else there is something else happening and no it isn’t that men’s brains are ruled by their penises because if it were men would have long ago become extinct!

    • Yeah, the comments from porn users are offensive, but how is it any less offensive to claim that all men hate women, think they aren’t human, and that we just treat you all as fuck puppets? Do you honestly believe that I have a deep-seated hatred for over half of the human race? The fact of the matter is that lots of people, men and women, are assholes, and the fact that they’re assholes has nothing to do with who you are; it has to do with who they are. I’d bet money that a lot of the people quoted above would have equally distasteful things to say about all kinds of groups of people who aren’t just women (like police, or lawyers, or homeless, or different races, etc.). If you really want to make men out to be the root of all evil in the world, feel free, but it’s not doing anyone any good.

      And, for the record, I don’t think porn has anything to do with how men view women; I think that’s just a silly assertion. It assumes that all men peaceful, wholesome human beings with nothing but love in their hearts until they take one look at evil porn and are forever corrupted. That’s just not reality.

      • I honestly believe you have a deep-seated apathy for the suffering of over the half the human race, Jeff. For what it’s worth, that’s slightly better than hating them. Good on you.

      • *applause* NoSugarcoating!

        And, for the record, I don’t think porn has anything to do with how men view women; I think that’s just a silly assertion. It assumes that all men peaceful, wholesome human beings with nothing but love in their hearts until they take one look at evil porn and are forever corrupted. That’s just not reality.

        Ah, Jeff is a porn defender. According to Jeff, porn does not corrupt men’s views of females. That is all well and good Jeff, but you do realise then that you have just asserted that these misogynist and raping males would be that way without the porn. That is a vast number of males you are claiming to be naturally rotten scoundrels there Jeff, given the number of rapists and wifebeaters out there.

        Your comment Jeff, is typical of the double-speak and wanting it both ways that Hecuba was talking about. Your first par asserts that males don’t hate females en masse, then your second par states that porn does not corrupt males (hence, they must already be that way).

        Crawl back to your mommy’s basement, surrounded by your porn.

      • Also I love the assertion that every group that’s ever fought oppression is offensive. That would mean every civil rights group in the US, the majority of the UN, Native Americans, etc… All of them are apparently offensive. Since when did calling people out for being bigoted become offensive? Oh right. Since women speaking out against hate became offensive. Meaning since the beginning of the invention of speech.

      • “Yeah, the comments from porn users are offensive, but how is it any less offensive to claim that all men hate women, think they aren’t human, and that we just treat you all as fuck puppets?”

        Uhh, because it’s based on personal experience, and the experience of our sisters, maybe?

        Do you also find it “offensive” that for men to be raped (by other men) at the same rate as women in the “real world” they have to be IN PRISON?!

        For the record, Hecuba said that not all men rape. I don’t personally believe that men walk around *thinking* they hate women, but they justify what they say and do against us (rape, sexually harass, buy us, jack off to us showing pain, and on and on) which very much looks like hate.

        Fortunately, men CAN choose to resist all that, but few do.

  7. Guys with low libido’s just cant have sex because they cant get hard

    Another lesson from this: Men cannot conceive of any sex that does not center around an erect penis.

    • Very, very true.

      • NinjaGeek said:

        Very Very UNTRUE. Again since you are not a straight male, I will have to correct your assumptions of what we thing and do.

        A male can have low libido and not want sex for MANY reasons. I have children, work stress, and many other possible stresses which from time to time lead to a lack of libido. I can still get an erection but care not to do anything with it. It seems as though there is this assumption that all men have this connection to hard-on and sexual interest.

        I can assure you that this is not the case.
        Maybe for the testosterone driven meat-head this is true but I can’t tell you for sure and I have never understood why straight females took interest in these types of males anyway.

        But a normal male can get an erection without sexual factors taking place, we can also conceive of sexual activity which does not center around the penis. I for one prefer sexual activity with my wife which is all about her and what she wants.

        I don’t know where these idea’s fabricate themselves but they are definitely incorrect.

      • Miranda said:

        The statement that Guys with low libido’s just cant have sex because they cant get hard is a quote from the original post. For some reason my blockquote tags didn’t work there.

  8. [...] Men explain why they like porn, so we don’t have to! “I can’t imagine anything more unerotic that porn approved by sour faced feminists. What makes porn exciting is the transgressive nature of the acts portrayed – the abuse and degradation that women seem to be happy to endure for money. We watch porn to live out the fantasies that we cannot actualise. Does it degrade women? Of course but not much more than conventional work does.” [...]

  9. No Sugarcoating FTW!

  10. Successful business women complain about being lonely, Successfull businnes men complain about being lonely too. Married wives complain because their husbands use porn. Husbands complain cause they would like their wives to use porn too. We human beings dont like being alone, but we need to fight to see who is more important, either men or woman (whose feelings are the ones who really matter). What makes a couple perfect is that they balance their existance, behind a successfull man we always find a good leading, supportive wife AND vicerversa.
    Sometimes I wonder if this “Im a feminist labeled” isn’t just another subjet that brings us apart, even more.

    pd: What about bisexual women using porn?

    • Behind every successful man is a supportive wife? Nice try with the visa-versa but no. Just no. And I’m not sure what bisexual women using porn has to do with anything.

  11. Someone linked this from Facebook…

    Regardless of the porn argument at hand, Jeff lost the internet with “I think that’s just a silly assertion”.

    Anybody who’s spent more than three seconds on a blog that’s even remotely feminist should know that calling something a feminist/woman does “silly” is like painting “I’m a misogynist privilege denying mansplaining dudebro Chad” across one’s face in neon colors.

    Blah blah blah history blah blah silencing technique blah blah blah.

    I shall now retreat to the corners of this blog to lurk. (Also, from personal experience, I can say that the more into porn the guys I knew were, the more likely they were to be rapists. Could be a coincidence. Could be rape culture. Whaaaaatever.)

  12. Haha,

    I guess some of the men hating women really have their equals in male-hating women here. How can one really expect a woman to understand if a man loves or hates women in general if they cannot comprehend that men can separate love and sex! :D

    The best thing is, we will always have all types, and people who worship the feminist you talk about in the beginning of this thread and “less intellectual” people like I can Co-exist with our different views of the world.

    Just like you believe you can understand men by reading these “porn quotes”, some people would argue quoting your comments is the best evidence of your ways! Nonsense such as “there is no counter argument” for example. In that sentence you see that in fact this is a religion, with all its absolute truths! well, how good that most of us men are for religious freedom (at least in this part of the world!).

    Maybe you think I hate women as much as I feel many of the lines here are written by women hating men? I hope not all of you are lesbians, because that would make it even easier to mock the ideas up here. Emily Davison, where did it all go wrong???

    • So asking men to view women as human is man-hating and being a lesbian is up for mockery (presumably because they’re not available for male consumption). I wasn’t going to post this, but I thought it was in the spirit of the original post to let the consumers speak for themselves.

  13. See, you hint that you are for censure of opinions different to your own, unless you think it proves your point? I have absolutely nothing against lesbians, our gay men for that sake, but I don’t think it helps to understand or judge the sex you are not attracted to regarding their sexual behaviour or their “likeability”.

    And I really wish the comments above would be about that men and women are both humans who deserve a fair and equal treatment, but unfortunately it its about intercourse for social dominance, porn-reading rapists and other generalisations about men. What about treating as human? Yes, there are asshole men who hit women and who rape. I am sure there is also a minority of women who are doing really awful things.

    • Keep going Kragom, this is gold!

    • This is my blog, I reserve the right to allow or not allow whatever I like onto the end of my own writing and to allow and not allow whatever types of discussions I deem appropriate. I want to have meaningful discussions/comments and I can’t do that if I allow through people who are triggering, offensive, purposefully ignorant, mansplaining, cruel, or vicious. For instance the commenter calling feminists stupid ignorant bitches is not getting put through, nor do I usually (though there are exceptions) put through commenters asking to be educated on the very basics of feminism.

      Also feminism is not about male and female equality. Feminism is about dismantling patriarchy. Whenever people talk about equality it seems to revolve around women becoming men. I’m also unsure how showing posts where porn users describe how women in porn are not human and how that has negatively affected their of women I am making generalizations about men. I don’t have to, they’ve done it for me.

      Further, I would say that if you read through the rest of my blog it’s clear that I am straight, have used porn heavily in the past, and work with men and women in relationships on a regular basis and am therefore extremely familiar with common dynamics of heterosexual sexuality. But to say that is to try to separate myself from lesbian radical feminists, and I do not wish to separate myself from them as I have such amazing respect and admiration of lesbian rad fems. Further one’s sexual orientation does not have any bearing on her qualification to make educated observations.

  14. Doktor Sleepless said:

    Hello everyone. I’m a male with a sex addiction who’s never had sex. So I probably watch as much if not more porn than any of the quotes here. At age 12 I started looking at nude pics on Google. In the years that followed I watched greater and greater volumes of pornography in a session, and more and more extreme styles of it, porn as misogynistic as discussed here. I also obsessively saved and hoarded pictures and videos, never going back to look at them, always looking for the new high. I ended up exposing myself on webcam to get the thrill. At this time I was spending 2 to 3 hours a day masturbating. This fantasy world I lived in was already affecting my real life, but in my head the separation was absolute. Eventually they overlapped, and both lives were ruined. What I did wasn’t illegal, but it lost me the trust of the best friends I’d ever had. And everyday I feel terrible guilt over what I did, I even have dreams of confrontation and reconciliation at night as my brain desperately wishes the pain away. I have a beautiful, loving, girlfriend who has stood by me through this whole mess and yet I still do this and it tears me apart that I can carry on doing this to her.

    I now have software on my computer through which someone I know monitors what I view. I desperately want to be free of this, but even in the hour before writing this I messed up and gave in. The women on here are wondering why men use these terrible flimsy arguments for porn. And the answer is that it’s justify it or lose it. Very few men have the problem to quite my scale, but the point is that deep down we all know there’s no moral or rational reason for watching pornography beyond “it makes my penis feel good”. Yes we do have a sex drive. But we can control ourselves not to go out raping so we can stop this too. However it’s far easier not to, especially in a culture that tells us its not just permitted it’s expected of men.
    I think the first step is to get men out of the mindset that it’s normal, natural, and healthy. Because when you’re watching one woman urinate in another woman’s anus while 11,568 random people on omegle watch your penis skip past you’re none of those things.

    We do not stop to think whether the two aforementioned women had goals in life, who their parents were, or how many illicit chemicals they take on a daily basis. As terrible as the stories in porn are, we accept them as gospel so that we don’t have to face up to the reality. I’m not really sure what else to say.

    • Have you ever been to AntiPornMen? I think that website could really be helpful. They have lots of resources listed on the sidebar. And I think you’re right about the “not normal, natural, or healthy” bit.

  15. I’m glad to help! Nothing wrong with being radical on some things, like anti-misogyny for one. It’s good you won’t stand for it, who wants to take a middle ground on something like that? In case you were wondering though, around 25-30% of men don’t watch porn (anyone who says ALL men watch porn is just trying to normalize their own behavior to remove personal responsibility and choice).

  16. PhoenixYin said:

    Hi Elkballet, and everyone, it’s me again. 30yo female from South Africa. Yup, porn is VERY disturbing. I think that it is the height of evil- where women&girls, whose sexuality is supposed to be sacred, are degraded and exploited, beyond comprehension. It’s nothing short of satanic, if u ask me. I am not a religious person (as I am anti-patriarchy), but am spiritual, but if something makes me believe in satan then it would be sexual abuse. Like in porn.

    The crux of the matter is this this: all women in the sex-‘industry’, be it prostitution or porn, have been sexually abused in their past. Therefore the only reason they end up in this ‘business’ is because they are psychologically damaged, have low-self-esteem, and equate sex with misery. They therefore seek to perpetuate the cycle of abuse in their lives (this is text-book psychology). They are therefore not qualified to make the decision to be in porn- because no woman in her right mind would choose that, not for any amount of money. Bottom line is that porn and prostitution are the perpetuation of the cycle of abuse withing patriarchy. Its’ so sick and sinister. And there is no such thing as a a’slut’, only previously abused girls, victims of males. So pron is proof of abuse of girls and women. Its not fantasy, its reality. And it should not exist. It can only exist because of all the broken females out there- broken by men. And what does the magnitude and popularity of the industry and profits say about how prevalent abuse must be in everyday life, and also how sadistic males preferences are.

    Except now they also want 2 commercialise the abuse? Are they insane? How arrogant of them, to actually expose their abusive natures. Oh, well, its over. They have pretty much exposed their true natures, and now we know what we are dealing with.

    So in light of this information, then surely porn would be UNETHICAL. If we don’t focus on morals- which is a personal choice, but on ethics, which is mandatory.

    Empirical research needs to be done and quantifiable evidence needs to obtained to prove that all porn stars (i call them porn victims) have been previously abused. Because once we verify that fact, and the fact that no woman who has been abused is psychologically sound enough to make the decision to be in porn, then porn will no longer have a legal leg to stand on.

    SO PORN = FAIL!!!!!!! It’s nearly the end of the road for that trash, because more and more we intelligent women are going to expose it for what it is- perpetual rape!!!!!

    Oh and u mentioned that 30% of men dont’ watch porn, but then that still means that 2 thirds of them (the majority) do! :-( Now whenever i meet a man i wonder if he watches porn, and i fill up with anger and suspicion.

    • I think amateur porn is best. It is genuine and I don’t think the women there have been abused previously? Feels a bit like eating organic food!

      • Granted I have not seen all amateur porn ever made, but what I have seen is people more or less emulating what they’ve seen in commercial porn. What’s genuine about that?

        Also, you can’t possibly know the history of “amateur” porn actresses.

        And don’t even get me started on “organic” food.

      • Yisheng Qingwa said:

        Wow, you didn’t learn a damn thing here, did you. Figures.

  17. As a women it is hard to think of my husband enjoying watching other women, it is hurts so why dont they consider our feelings? They are with us and would they like it if we viewed porn with gorgeous sexy men and believe me, my husband isnt all that sexy, but I do love him, what makes him think that he is so special and that he should be allowed to make me feel like crap. Hate porn and how it degrades women and the way it makes them feel inadequate.

    • PhoenixYin said:

      Well then Emily, you need to take a stand. What he is doing is not only is it immoral- a form of mental cheating on you, but unethical, because porn is a violent and abusive industry, and he is supporting it! I could never be with a man who contributes to victimisation and misery in the world. You need to take a stand, tell him how u feel, and why it’s wrong on a global ethical scale too. And that u cannot tolerate it out of principle. He may actually respect u for being honest and assertive. He may learn something.

      But IF he disagrees, u should threaten to leave him, and if he still refuses to change, leave him! Men don’t respect women unless they take charge and stand up for the truth. And until women learn that it’s better to be alone than settle for a piece of trash, or bad men, things will never change. We should all be prepared to die for what we believe in in this world, and maybe u are dependent on your husband for whatever reason? But i guarantee that u have to take that first brave step of confidence, every confident step will snowball, make u feel better, and create new opportunities for u in life. Don’t EVER fall into the trap of patriarchy, or how males define you, and make u feel ‘lucky’ *(bahaha hahaha) to have them.

      If u don’t risk anything, u wont gain anything! Just remember that patriarchy is built on destroying the confidence, intuition, innovation and strength of females, so that their corrupt system is never challenged. So break that cycle, whatever it takes. Take charge of your life, and never have a low-self-esteem. Stand up for yourself, and what u believe in. :-)

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