An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity. ~Martin Luther King jr.

I share this quote because it’s one of the most fundamental ideas of feminism. One cannot impart social justice until she can realize that it is the experiences and oppression of the collective rather than the immediate benefit to herself that is important to a movement. One cannot be a feminist if any feminist idea, social problem, or issue of oppression can be entirely dismissed with an “I” statement, a statement of personal “empowerment,” or simply a statement of personal enjoyment. This is why libertarian and liberal “feminism” cannot work and cannot further women’s rights or free women from the patriarchy. Because almost everything in that movement that is labeled as feminism is based on what gets a woman the most social reward in a patriarchal system, rather than what furthers the movement. A movement cannot be based on individualistic desires and wants, but must be based on the needs of the whole. As soon as I becomes more important than we, the movement is lost.

While non-dangerous crimes continue to be punished, such as marijuana possession that costs the country a ridiculously disproportionate amount of time and money to enforce, things that affect primarily women just don’t matter. If you are Topeka and are a woman, I suggest you pack a suitcase and leave. If you get beaten by your partner, too bad, it only counts if he’s a stranger. If you are sexually assaulted, the national numbers on that are against you too. I just don’t even know what else to write on this, it’s so appalling I can’t even think straight.

I generally prefer animated porn, because it’s much prettier than any woman can be. And I think seeing the most horrific thing you could possibly imagine is cute and funny. source

Just to reiterate, horrific violence against women is “cute” and “funny.” Lesson: so long as it’s filmed, violence against women isn’t real.

Men do not respect the women they see in porn no matter how many they watch. source

I am a young man, I consume pornography, and degradation of women is a fetish of mine. However, I have great respect for women, in a sexual context or otherwise, and I do not think that my personal preferences are driven by society’s declining sexual standards or that they are the inevitable result of a gender-based sexual dichotomy. I also resent strongly the insidious implication that people of such preference are complicit with or even responsible for the sexual disenfranchisement of women. So perhaps I am biased.

… I was relieved the author believes this behavior — the gaining of sexual pleasure from degrading others, something I usually despise when not naked — is normal. source

Then who, if not the people who gain sexual satisfaction from hurting, degrading, and humiliating women is responsible for the real-world implications?

First of all, the things you list–with the exception of facials–aren’t found in all straight porn (especially things like ATM, gaping, gagging, and choking.) Straight porn runs the gamut from mainstream vanilla fare to extreme gonzo stuff. It’s a common, if sleazy and unfair, tactic of feminist critics of porn to lump it all in the extreme gonzo category. Anyone with any familiarity with it, and with a shred of honesty and fairness, would admit that much of it is not that extreme, unless you’re one of the delicate flowers who considers a mundane oral/facial cumshot to be a horrendous, grotesque debasement. source

Ahhh yes, the respectful act of jizzing all over someone’s face. Lesson: Porn changes what people view as normal sexual behavior.

The more open you are about sex, the higher esteem in which you will be held by men.
Men are not attracted to women who say “no” more than “yes” in bed. We don’t look down on women who like to have fun; we look up on them. Our favorite females are those who are the most sexually liberal.
Any woman who claims certain sexual acts are degrading probably carries some sort of baggage. source

Lesson: women are pleasure objects, and saying no to pain or degradation means you’re not fun.

I think men are uncomfortable with women’s new interest in watching porn. We liked it better when porn was strictly the domain – and vice – of men. source

I think it is possible to honestly believe in and advocate for the equality and dignity of women (indeed of all people) while being turned on by images of women (or other men) humiliated and degraded. source

No, this wasn’t sarcastic. Really.

I watch porn and my gf has a higher sex drive than me! It would drive her nuts knowing my load sometimes goes to a rag instead of her. If I’m horny enough to go to porn, then why not her? Telling her the fantasy is better, quicker, or easier is hurtful; it’s better to just shut-up. source

Even when there’s a living human who wants sex, he still needs porn even if it means sacrificing time with his girlfriend. Porn isn’t addicting, it’s just a need that all men have.

Indeed, these very popular sites seem designed to repel women — to send them literally running from the room — what with the endless talk of “sluts,” “whores,” “bitches” and worse. Maybe without the perceived judgment of female eyes, it feels like a safer space to explore fantasy.
The sites are not designed to repel women … they are designed to attract men, and thats one of the reasons men are uncomfortable talking with their girlfriends or wives about the subject. What goes on inside most men’s darkest fantasies wouldn’t just repel most women, it would actively terrify them, especially in their boyfriend or husband. These sites are designed specifically to attract men, and they do a good job … the fact that they “repel” women isn’t particularly relevant to the designers or the consumers.
Its worth pointing out that “womens porn” is “repulsive” to men as well. Men aren’t interested, typically, in the way love, sex, men, and relationships are portrayed in the Cosmos of the world, and we find that picture as unrealistic as the one in our porn films. The reason is, we think differently … and the reason most men are uncomfortable talking to their women about their deepest darkest porn fantasies is that those fantasies are very dark and very deep. source

Violence against women is not as repulsive as a woman fantasizing about being loved. I assume people here never ask themselves if there is a reason women are “repulsed” by the idea of their loved ones getting off on rape and violence against women.

The vast, vast majority of men will never give up porn. It’s widely available, free and can pander to fantasies they would never experience in real life. Using porn is part of their lifestyle – day to day. In fact, I’d go far to say it’s a human right. [If men don't use porn] bad things will inevitably result.

Men naturally need to think they are raping and hurting women or bad things will happen. It’s a human right for men to rape women, and since they aren’t supposed to do it in real life, they have to at least pretend.

It needs to be acknowledged, I think, that sexuality is inherently dominant/submissive. “Degrading” is one word we use to describe this polarity. Tastes vary, from person to person, and from relationship to relationship. I find it absurd that porn is still discussed as “degrading to women”.
It’s degrading to human beings, sure, but that’s the whole point of it!

Ah the humanist argument. If porn and sex is degrading to humans rather than women, why is it that over 85% of mainstream pornography shows physical violence against WOMEN? Why are the vast majority of sexual assaults against WOMEN? Lesson: degrading people is OK so long as those people are women.

A benefit of porn has been the increased attention to female hygiene, particularly the shaving of female genital areas which is now expected by all parties and has great health benefits.

It’s always great when men talk about the health benefits of women going bare for them. It’s not like we have hair for a reason. We obviously evolved body hair to make us LESS healthy.

I’m sorry guys I know a lot of folks wont like this but sex is inherently demeaning to women. In its orthadox form it’s a submission of a woman to a man to a certain degree, and both parties take pleasure from that. 
… Porn is natural.

Lesson: Sex that demeans hurts and degrades women is natural, meaning inevitable.

i am a guy. most of our fantasies are born from what we see in porn movies k. we like to try lotta different things as we see them done in this movies. his toys ore obedient, manipulative (he can do whateva he wishes wit them. so u have to do what these whores (permit me to say) do in these movies you have to be a nasty bitch sexwise to win ur man back. diff styles, positions, anything u can think of. ask him what his sexual fantasies are, wat he wants u to do to him & wat he wants to try. be his toy baby & u’ll win him back source

Men like toys, women are toys. Men need their “toys” to do whatever is demanded of them, and these demands will come straight from porn. Regardless of whether the woman enjoys these fantasies, she is a toy and does not get a choice.

Being jealous of a picture, quite strange really. source

It’s strange for a woman to be jealous of her man spending time with pornography, but not strange to develop a relationship with an image and masturbate to it. The female emotion is “strange” while the male feeling is normal and natural.

Maybe it is easy for someone who has never been into porn to abstain from it, but I’ve been watching it since I was 16, and trying to stop for me is a whole different story. I don’t want to hear about the degradation of women! It is irrelevant to the need I feel – which pornography is exceedingly good at satisfying. source

It doesn’t matter if women are degraded or hurt, his penis is more important than their lives.

Men are trained from very early to think differently. They are taught to objectify women and seperate them in two catagories….those that are for sex and those that are for marrying. This is foreign to women, although it is changing rapidly.source

Good thing women are beginning to dehumanize and objectify others, since it is the only correct way of thinking. It’s not as though dehumanizing a whole group of people has dire consequences.

you have to understand the women in those pictures are objects not women. I know, we’re not supposed to objectify women but when they’re porn stars etc we do that’s what they’re paid for. They have less emotional worth to us guys than traffic lights. … Even in porn we’re looking at an object, it serves as a quick tool to arouse our physical senses, quickly, efficiently so we can release and get on with our day. … It’s like using a leaf blower instead of a rake to remove leaves from our garden, quick and efficient nothing else. …

We don’t watch movies of women sweet talking men and being romantic on an emotional level to get off, we look at naked female shaped objects. They’re not real to us, only sick twisted lonely weird guys invest any kind of emotion into porn stars or pictures of naked women. …

you’re insecure about nothing, those women are nothing, they don’t exist. source

This line needs repeating. “naked female shaped objects.”

Most guys don’t consider porn cheating, however, so you’ll have to try to be understanding if he thinks you’re out of line. source

Go ahead and call a guy out for this, but as you are a woman and he is the man, he’s going to think you’re out of line and will have to put you back in your place.

we make poor decisions when aroused.

From my friend via AIM, a guy who loves his porn and believes it’s healthy.

I feel that pornography has as much power to degrade women as it does to empower them; this is all decided in the mind of the person masturbating to it. source

I’m sure the guy masturbating to the woman being penetrated in all holes while she cries and ends up bathed in semen is watching it for the empowerment of women.

WE do love the women in our lives – but on our own terms, if relationships can ever hope to work long term!

Women are second to men, women’s terms are second to men’s terms.

women use sex as a bargaining tool. Porn lets guys take matters into their own hands so to speak and in doing so – partially relieves the need for women and raises the bar with what men expect women to do. Women hate porn because using it puts some of the power back into mens hands and women hate hate hate that. source

Lesson: Porn lets guys express their hatred of women for attempting to have equality. Women should have to compete with porn while the men sit back and enjoy.

I love porn. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Am I only the only person to get so sick of sex with their long term partner only to find relief in watching porn??? Surely not. We can’t all go out and score a different chick every night of the week. This is the next best thing and way better than being stuck in a boring long term relationship. source

Porn enhances relationships.

Though we obviously see women as sexual objects, this does not mean we are unable to recognise their other qualities as well. source

Women are firstly sex objects and not human, but they may possibly have other secondary qualities.

I love to keep pictures of the girls in these private moments because they are giving you the most beautiful side of themselves. source

A woman’s most beautiful side is when she is airbrushed, legs spread, presenting herself to be penetrated. The most private part of a woman is when she displays herself to be used to the entire world.

Ladies – when are you going it get it through your thick, blonde heads that porn can enhance your sex life?! There’s absolutely nothing abnormal about the fantasy world of porn – it’s not all 2 Girls, 1 Cup stuff! Try dropping the term ‘making love’ from you’re vocabulary & suddenly porn is just good, dirty fun. If it weren’t for the experimental nature of great porn, we’d have a generation of men that think the missionary position is exciting and that women can’t orgasm through penetrative sex. source

Despite the fact that only 25% of women can physically orgasm from penetrative sex. Lesson: it’s more correct for women to enjoy being penetrated in as many ways as porn can present. Porn enhances sex lives by teaching women that they are there to be penetrated by men and please them.

Lets not forget that those are women in those movies, it’s not like they are being forced to do those acts. The world has changed – that’s what men want these days. I’ve dismissed many girlfriends because they wouldn’t “play along”. After all – why buy the book when you can go to the library…

Because women in porn are willing to play along for money, all women should play along as well. Who needs a woman who expresses that something isn’t fun or hurts when you can watch it in porn?

Almost 9 months ago I touched my sister because we were looking at porn. I asked her what a vagina felt like an asked if I could feel hers it was a light touch. Source

If they are receiving sexual release from porn, then you are not the gatekeeper to sex and they become more dificult to bend to your will. Source

Pornography is a “healthy” release for hatred and anger towards women.

It felt…like I was in charge. Like I dominated her sexually, and she loved being dominated. It felt raw and animalistic…and very masculine for me. Source

About cumming on a woman’s face for the first time.

I am so ashamed of myself that I ever watched it now, it distorted my view on life. It’s pretty hard to find a real woman like the girls in porn… Source

Bill Margold, an actor who starred in several 3-D adult films during the seventies, doesn’t think 3-D deserves to make a comeback. “I don’t want to see a pop shot in my face unless it’s my own,” Source

A porn star is fine cumming on a woman’s face, but even having it imaginary done to him is repulsive.

he wants to see things he knows you don’t want, assfucking, titfucking, gangbanging, anal, ass-to-mouth, or more than anything, a guys wants to shoot his cum all over agirls FACE. do you like that? probaby not. if you will do all these things for him and he still watches porn, he is crazy. Source

A man has a deep desire to watch women be hurt (for instance the risk of disease from eating fecal matter, allowing yourself to be marked like a fire hydrant, and allowing your anus to be treated so roughly it bleeds). Unless you are willing to be hurt, there is nothing you can do.

To all the girls (and maybe guys) who in this thread or irl said “eww thats gross” or “why dont you stick a cock up your ass, see how you like it”. I bet you said the same type of things when you were little, about regular sex. “eww thats gross” or “im not doing it you do it”. Maybe its time for you to grow up some more. No, in fact its definitely time for you to grow up. Source

I’m sure he knows it would hurt to get fucked in the ass. But there are millions of girls AND guys that do it everyday. Source

It doesn’t matter if being “fucked in the ass” hurts, if you are not willing to submit to it you are immature and prude. A woman should always be willing to sacrifice her well being to satisfy a man’s libido, especially since women don’t feel pain the same way men do.

Recently several companies have decided that many activist groups are right. They do exploit children in India, China, and Turkey too much. So they have decided to diversify and use children in wealthy countries as well. According to one head, they are just trying to add a little diversity to their production line. Many consumers hail the expansion of exploitation as progressive and new. All this time they thought these companies were just being terrible and exploiting poor children, but now that they are also exploiting wealthy children it’s easy to embrace their new progressive approach to clothing.

Or how does this sound,

The leader of the KKK has recently announced that he has decided to take the ideas of diversity to heart. Why should they focus so much on one group of people? They have decided to diversify and persecute members of many other races. Their new progressive stance on diversity is creating a huge sense of relief among the community. One black man who was attacked and tortured says this whole time he felt as though he was targeted for the color of his skin, but now that the KKK is also torturing and killing Hispanic people and Asians, he feels more comfortable with the attack.

So why is it that when porn and pornified ads (such as American Apparel) show up wanting to expand on their diversity to not only exploit conventionally attractive women it’s considered a positive step and progressive? We’re expanding a horrible industry to encompass more people. How can that possibly be considered a positive step? If even many sex pozzies can acknowledge that the majority of mainstream pornography is without question horrific for women, how can the expansion of a horrific industry that gets worse by the second be perceived as anything but terrible? Even if you’re not against pornography, it makes no sense to believe that diversification of something that is doing nothing but getting worse is a positive step.

Women are sometimes forced to gag and vomit on a man’s penis. They are sometimes urinated or defecated on, tied up and pushed to tears, whipped, handcuffed, clamped, cut, slapped, made to sit in the middle of a group of men who ejaculate onto her face, they sometimes have their heads shoved into toilets, etc… Not to mention the extremely physically painful acts that are very “common” such as double or triple penetration, and even “just” anal sex, which the vast majority of women find extremely painful. Even Jenna Jameson reports on finding anal sex to be one of the most unpleasant things she’s ever done in porn and refuses to ever do it again. Many of these women are survivors of sexual trauma and many of these things undoubtedly remind them of their abuse. There is footage of women running off set to vomit, beginning to hyperventilate in panic, sobbing hysterically, and basically just footage of some of these women looking like they are in a state of complete terror.

I repeat, there is a reason the average length of time a woman is in porn is only three months.

So how could the argument that it’s “just fantasy” even begin to exist in someone’s mind? There is only one way that actual footage of these things happening to women could translate to “fantasy.” And that is through a process of extreme dehumanization and objectification. It is not as though they are “acting” the sex, those acts are really and truly happening to someone. The only way to think otherwise if the person watching does not see the person on screen as human. They are other, object, lesser. Anyone who uses the argument that porn is just fantasy is blatantly admitting that he does not view women in porn as human.

Do I dehumanize them somewhat? Of course. Why would I worry about their feelings or any of that nonsense, why would I attach an emotional significance to them? You do have to objectify them otherwise it defeats the purpose of watching porn, what use is a fantasy when you attach to it, that level of reality.source

The girls in the photos aren’t real to him. They are just body parts…no personality, no character, no charms. He loves you for the person you are, and respects you. That’s why he told you that he didn’t use the photos of you, because he didn’t want to think of you as a piece of meat.source

The obvious implication being that women in porn are pieces of meat.

Porn is a premade fake, what you’re looking at is not a person.source

Within the confines of decency and morality Women are rightly sexual objects to Men. Nature designed us that way and the survival of the species demands it.source

Porn movies don’t complain endlessly,you can put it away for months without it saying a thing,you dont have to talk to it,you dont have to buy it stupid flowers or presents,you don’t have to meet its dumb family,it doesn’t bleed once a month,its much smarter and the sex is much better.Why wouldn’t men watch it?source

Lesson: Porn is easy, real women are complicated.

No man finds a plump 40yo woman attractive unless he is a pathetic loser that has set his expectations so low as to not allow himself to look up. Men will always want the 18yo hottie. We stay with the 40yo because we’re stuck with her as it’s too expensive to divorce her. Hopefully, men will realise not to buy the cow so soon and wait a bit longer and then get the 18yo hottie.source

Porn doesn’t raise expectations. It’s entirely reasonable for the unattractive 40 year old man to deserve an 18 year old “hottie” sex slave, since that’s how it is in porn.

Whilst I’m not convinced the majority of men are turned on by Gonzo sex, it’s common knowledge the men don’t have to feel emotion when having sex.source

Meaning while masturbating to pornography, men don’t have to feel empathy or guilt since those things do not matter during sex.

Here’s a hot tip for a lot of you women out there.
Pay attention the kind of porn which your man enjoys to watch. There is a good chance that you don’t engage in these particular activities with him as often as he would like.
For example, if you read interviews with high priced prostitutes, you will find that most of their time is not spent with plain intercourse.
Start asking the question ‘Why?’ and stop the ignorance.source

It is always a woman’s duty to sacrifice her own well-being in bed to “service” her man, and to act like a prostitute. The fact that prostitutes do what is asked of them rather than doing what they want for fun doesn’t matter. Porn teaches that women gain pleasure only from giving men pleasure.

I’m lucky because not only do I know how to find free porn so I don’t have to pay for it, but I am also a pervert so nothing disgusts me.
Oh and my fiancee is hot so no problems there. Perhaps if women took better care of their bodies and wore more make up men wouldn’t have the need to fantasise about others in order to achieve orgasm?source

It is a woman’s duty to spend all her time primping to keep her man from using porn. If he does use porn she’s a failure as a woman. And even though this guy’s girlfriend is “hot” he still uses porn, while claiming if women were hotter their men wouldn’t use porn. Of course porn doesn’t raise expectations to unrealistic levels though.

It never ceases to amuse me when women tell men how we should view women and what is “right” and what is a woman’s market value based on her own subjective assessment of her worth.
Men like porn. We don’t need all that lovey-dovey crap in order to have sex. Get over it. Get used to it. The feminists set us free and now the market will determine your worth.source

Women: things to be valued and priced.

fights for a world in which women have power
And THIS is the very reason why this “hardcore porn” is so popular.

Men have always been able to make a distinction between the love they have for their wives, and the sex they have with their mistresses or prostitutes.source

Lesson: Men are entitled to sex.

I use porn as a resource and a way to increase my skill in the bedroom. I approach a good bang session as a movie, where I’m the director, and I synthesize new plots, dialogue, and movements from watching tons or video and pulling things together and creating new fantasies. In this way, I think porn is an invaluable resource, and will become more valuable as free online porn evolves.source

And I’d like to break it to several of you who posted here, that while some of the more commercial cheesy stuff might be a bit “faked”, most of it isn’t. A consent form is filled out, with limitations that will be pushed. A safe word is given, and after that control is in the dominant’s hands. The tears are as real as the orgasms, fantasies are met and exceeded in a safe and controlled way, whats NOT OK with that? (If those involved didn’t *like* it, they surely wouldn’t continue to do it, and can/could have put a stop to it at anytime)source

As long as a consent form is filled out (which you can’t ensure) it’s perfectly OK to push a woman to tears, extreme pain, and vomiting to fulfill male sexual fantasies. Because a consent form=her personal fantasy, not her personal financial troubles.

So he’s looking at porn. Well, are you giving him the enthusiastic sex any man appreciates, or the PC kind in which everything is always gentle, you never give him oral, and it’s all in ‘dignified’ positions so you don’t feel ‘oppressed’ or ‘objectified’, the thought of bondage or spanking is right out, and you climax with decorum, if at all?source

Lesson: women force men to use porn because they demand respect, dignity, and to be treated in a way that doesn’t physically hurt. The underlying message: men use porn because they need to degrade, humiliate, and hurt.

He isnt cheating on you because these are porn stars, its what they do. But with porn you can watch anything to fulfil your needs, orgys, threesomes, anal, s&m, big cocks, big boobs, black, white, etc etc. Its nothing to worry about, unless it gets to the point that hes having more of a relationship with the porn than his girlfriend.

If a woman can’t fulfill all his physical wants, such as being Asian on Tuesday and Swedish on Wednesday and bigger breasted on Thursday, etc… he has every right to use porn. Porn is a relationship, and he’s entitled to have an equal relationship with porn as with a living human. It’s only fair and certainly not cheating since porn stars aren’t human.

I don’t think porn is cheating,…
alot of women think it is but their views about sex are off
because most guys will watch regaurdless of wether or not your okay with it.source

If a woman disagrees with a man, she is wrong since she is a woman and women’s views on sex don’t matter as much. Therefore it doesn’t matter how she feels, since she is a woman and she is wrong.

But there is something extreme or emotionally satisfying about cumming on a woman and seeing it on her. I wouldn’t liken it to a dog marking a lamppost, but it may be a male dominance thing.source

I can’t imagine anything more unerotic that porn approved by sour faced feminists.
What makes porn exciting is the transgressive nature of the acts portrayed – the abuse and degradation that women seem to be happy to endure for money.
We watch porn to live out the fantasies that we cannot actualise.
Does it degrade women? Of course but not much more than conventional work does.source

The following two are in response to someone feeling guilty about watching porn where drunk girls are “taken advantage” of.

There are heaps of movies on the popular porn sites where drunk girls are taken advantage of so I don’t think this is out of the ordinary porn. As long you’re not watching anything illegal I don’t think you’re corrupt.source

Because assaulting drunk women isn’t illegal or wrong, it’s just ordinary. Lesson: Rape is ordinary and OK.

Sometimes I also watch stuff about girls being drunk and taken advantage of, etc. There is nothing wrong with it, its just something in a males mind in which they enjoy being dominant, but as long as your not going out and using the date rape drug, its fine. Infact, watching that type of pornography is probably healthy to get your doesage of “over-dominace” out of your system so it doesnt occur in real life.source

Just like drinking more helps you be less of an alcoholic, watching rape porn helps you rape less. This is because men are hardwired to rape, so it’s healthy to gain pleasure from raping women. Make no mistake, having sex with drunk women is rape.

Not to sound cruel, but 90% of the time girls fake orgasms, so … just fake your interest in sex.. Guys with low libido’s just cant have sex because they cant get hard, but opposed to you not getting wet (which is why they invented lube), you could just pretend to be interested once in a while until your off the meds.source

Lesson: The only reason women have sex is to please men, so women should lube up and put out regardless of whether they want to.

Ironically, the more I watch porn, the more I don’t feel anything about it. I don’t know why.

Like a drug, porn requires more and more intensity to cause the same feelings.

where as women will clean the house again etc whilst bored, men just tend to think of the first thing that comes to mind…. sex..source

Women get off to domestic chores the same way men get off to porn.

Is it so terrible if we have reached a point where men and women really don’t need each other as much anymore and that they view each other more as sexual objects than life-long partners?source

Give him a break, [porn] has nothing to do with you it’s just something most guys do. Just enjoy the great way your marriage is going right now.source

This was in response to a woman talking about how she’s been miserable since the discovery of the porn. But of course the marriage is going great, since the man is getting laid as much as he wants.

Typical women responses. “Why does he need porn, he has me?” Men are not like women, we have different sexual drives. Men are driven to want to have sex with many different women hence why men want porn, so they can get that urge of different women out of the way. Basically you need to understand that us men are not like you and that you will never understand it. Its just that we have an urge to be with other women and porn is how thats fulfilled.source

Ah the burden of being male, this need to penetrate all women on the planet. Women need to deal, because any pain they feel from a porn-using partner can’t even be close to the pain of a man not getting enough variety in his sex partners.

as a male speaking , men only look at porn for the simple fact of seeing women naked & having sex for the pure reason of wishing it was them .
females are absolutely right to why men watch porn ,they want to see women naked and having sex ,so as to imagine it is them.source

Ladies, please stop attempting to answer whether or not men need porn!!! I would never answer what it feels like to get a period, so how are your comments on what it feels like to be a man relevant?source

Again, the burden of a penis. Getting off to porn=getting a period. He claims to not say what it’s like to have a period, yet in that comparison he just has. Interesting.

OK – its clear that most of the ladies don’t like men using porn, and that’s a good reason for men to keep hiding it.source

Because again, women’s views and feelings are invalid. Therefore, how women feel should be disregarded.

I’m a heterosexual male, and i happen to know that thats just the way it works. we do. we can’t help it. just like you can’t help buying handbags and shoes.source

Even though most women buy purses and shoes to be more attractive, to fit mens’ views about what an attractive woman should look like. Do you think men watch porn to be more attractive? Further, shoes and purses are objects. Does that mean women in porn are objects too?

When I was first told about the differences between second and third wave feminists, it was framed to me as such; do you believe that women should have the choice to do as they like or do you think that women who shave their legs, wear dresses, and have sex are wrong? Being my pre-feminist self I became defensive of my skirts and the fact that I shaved my legs. I LIKE shaving my legs, I said. I LIKE wearing makeup.

On the train yesterday was a woman scratching her legs. She had dark stubble growing in on her ankles and she must have reached down to scratch 10 or 15 times. It looked painful, and she looked self-conscious and embarrassed. Another woman on the subway was self-consciously covering her knees because they had a small amount of hair on them. And they had every reason to be. A man across the subway from me was eyeballing me in an uncomfortable way until he got to my hairy legs, at which point his eyes widened and he looked away quickly. The attention my hairy legs get is astonishing. People look repulsed, as though female body hair is somehow covered in plague. They will stare as if they’ve never seen hair on a woman before, as if I’m deformed in some way. If I wasn’t a radical feminist, that kind of attention would have made me mortified to exist.

Shaving your legs is expensive. You go through a razor head a month, at a cost of maybe $2 per piece, plus shaving creams at a cost of maybe $3 each. It is time consuming. In order to not have stubble a woman must shave at least every other day, maybe every day, at around 5-10 minutes per session. It is assumed that every few times you shave you will cut yourself a little. There is certainly nothing fun about leg shaving.

There is only one reason to shave your legs. Because the pain of shaving your legs is, to most women, much less than the pain of not shaving her legs. The pain of money and time wasted and the annoyance of the occasional cut, the irritation of constant stubble growth, is far less than the pain and humiliation of being given the looks I am given. Being considered repulsive, disgusting. That kind of woman. One of them. Feminists.

That is not a free choice. A free choice is whether I want chocolate or strawberry ice cream. Being given two options, one that will be difficult and one that will be easy, is not free will since most people will choose the easier way. It would be like saying, you can choose the chocolate or the strawberry, but if you choose the chocolate you will be punched in the face. And then saying people just inherently like strawberry more when they choose it. This is not a free choice.

The more complicated way to talk about this is in the frame of women presenting themselves. Women supposedly have two equally valid choices, to present themselves as objects or to not present themselves as objects. We are told by funfems that women have the option to be either, that most women simply choose out of inherent desire, to serve men. Women and girls are shown role models on TV, the fuckable doctor, the fuckable lawyer, the fuckable teacher, etc… The message is extremely clear. In order to be successful as a woman, you must be fuckable. You must leverage your sexuality to get to the top. That your sexuality is your most important aspect. Who needs to do well in science class if you can seduce the science nerds into doing well for you? Women are told that if they cannot present their sexuality as their only identity, then they are not worthwhile as whole human beings.

What is not presented are the women who choose not to define themselves by pornified sexuality. There are very few shows where a normal-looking woman or a woman who focuses on her career/friends/hobbies/passions is presented, unless that “flaw” is part of plot. Think Ugly Betty where the fact that she is merely average looking must be constantly pointed out so viewers won’t think it’s an oversight. These women, the women who don’t entirely define themselves in relation to the men around them and how they can manipulate them with their bodies are completely absent, completely invisible. Given those two options, acceptance and success versus invisibility, who would choose the latter? And because of this invisibility of the woman not wishing to be constantly viewed as “for sex,” very few women even know this option exists. When women are presented with only one option, it can hardly be surprising when she “chooses” it.

When a woman goes to buy clothing, these images and ideas are not wiped clean from her brain. It would be impossible given that everything she has ever seen, heard, read about, or experienced is in relation to these images and ideas. She could buy the practical clothing, or she could buy high heels. The fuckable women often wear heels, while the not-fuckable women don’t. The heels make her legs look longer, she can now emulate the fuckable character. So she chooses the heels, she believes she likes the heels when in fact, she simply likes the image the heels give her. This is reinforced when she goes outside and gathers votes of approval from the men staring at her legs up and down. Yes, she thinks, she definitely likes the heels. They hurt, but it’s “worth it” because of the approval she gets.

But it’s never good enough. She needs to buy more things to emulate the character even more. There is a constant stream of things she must buy to emulate these characters. New impractical shoes, new impractical makeup, new toxins to put on her scalp and skin. There is no way that any woman can truly live up to this image she is burdened with. I was once sitting with a man and a tall skinny blonde woman in extremely high stiletto heels and a very small tight dress walked past. He was practically falling on the ground drooling and slobbering and yelling about how hot she was. Look at those legs! He exclaimed. Then just seconds later, she had to walk across the grass and was unable. She sank in, staggered around, tripping and falling, desperately pulling at the bottom of her dress to cover everything until she had to be carried by her friend in flat shoes. Was this guy supporting her? Do you think he was still drooling over her, giving her his praise? No. Throughout all of this he mocked her, cruelly and endlessly. What an idiot, he said. Why would ANY woman wear heels? It’s so stupid. When I pointed out to him that his reaction 10 seconds ago is why women wear heels, he didn’t have anything to say except that she was still a “freak.” The impracticality was expected, appreciated, loathed and mocked.

There is no winning for women, there is no good choice. But always “choosing” the one that panders to this unattainable standard of fuckability is the one thing guaranteed to not be able to free us from double standards, victim-blaming, and being viewed in a one-dimensional hyper-sexualized way. Because of the complete invisibility of an option other than hyper-sexualized and pandering to male porn fantasy, women only have one option visible to them. Women believe they have choice because they are given so many ways to fit the porn fantasy. Do they want red or black heels? Gold or silver eyeshadow? This act of “choosing” gives women the illusion that they have some kind of free choice when in fact, they are all choosing the exact same thing. But really, when women are only presented with one option, how can ANYONE be surprised when she chooses it? If there is no other choice, there can be no “choice” at all. It’s simply doing what you’re told. This is why even the “feminism is about choice” argument completely falls apart. There is no choice.

A person who seeks to influence a group to adopt or maintain a norm.

That’s it folks. So yes, I suppose feminists are moral crusaders. We do seek to influence a group (people) to adopt a norm (not hate women). Who else is a “moral crusader?”

• The police
• Most of the government
• Every activist group ever
• Unions

Do you think anyone accuses unions of being on a moral crusade because they want better conditions? So why does this phrase only apply to feminists and the church? I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it applied anywhere else despite the fact that it applies to every group trying to get anything done ever. I don’t believe I heard anyone use this term in reference to black groups trying to get recognition as human, and certainly not now. It’s incredibly obvious that accusing feminists of being moral crusaders is a pathetic attempt to align us with religious groups. I think it’s fairly obvious that many people hear that term crusades and think of the obvious brutal violent religious crusades. So people, please stop using the term moral crusader. It’s not actually an insult. Maybe people should pay more attention to what they’re saying, because this term just shows your ignorance.

Yet it is argued that feminist porn exists currently, and that people love it. In fact from how often this argument is made you’d think that “feminist porn” was the most popular genre, that everyone was watching it, and all of us cranky radicals had somehow just missed it in our research and writings. However as Nine Deuce said in her post on “janitor porn” there is very little out there even labelled as feminist porn. The vast majority of what is out there is not meant to be “female-friendly” in any way, let alone feminist. The VAST majority of porn out there depicts violence against women, which cannot regardless of label, be argued to be feminist. You can call the white horse purple, but that doesn’t make it true.

Further, this stuff with these labels of “feminist” is not what is primarily consumed, and certainly not by men (who are overwhelmingly the main perpetrators of sexual violence, meaning the ones who are most dangerous when affected by violent sexual imagery). When Ana Bridges conducted a study examining the content of the most popular pornography she wasn’t picking pornography from the most violent, brutal, horrible niches. She picked from the AVN most rented/watched/bought in a random pattern. What she found was that on that list was not “feminist” porn or “female-friendly” porn but overwhelmingly violence against women. In fact close to 90% showed violence, almost exclusively against women. The ones that weren’t blatantly degrading were still completely directed at men. Not only not feminist, but mostly violent, degrading, horrific things. Given that rape and violence against women are still happening on an epidemic scale, there is no possible way associating violence and arousal can be a good thing. So while 90% of porn consumers may claim to watch things that are made by female/feminist directors and not violent, the statistics say they are either lying or so brainwashed that they can think violence is normal sexual behavior (if it’s the latter we are in serious trouble).

But if I was to take this “feminist porn” seriously, where is this stuff? I tried to find some and in order to find any I had to search for several minutes and wade through many pages of cum shots and crying and rape to find anything labeled as “for women.” And this was searching for a very specific director who I had been told to look for due to her “wonderful” porn. In other words even knowing EXACTLY what I was supposed to be looking for, I could barely find it among the hundreds of rape porn sites. What I saw were extremely thin conventionally attractive blonde women with huge breasts roughly penetrating themselves with large dildos and giving a come fuck me look. As well there were images of the women being spanked, threatened, and in some cases choked as well as roughly penetrated by strap on dildos. The only difference I saw in this porn was that the violence was done by other women rather than by men. When Ana Bridges did a study on this she came to the same conclusion. That female directors are MORE likely to use violence against women than male directors, but that the perpetrators were more likely to be female than with a male director.

Seriously, stop with the “feminist porn.” It a) doesn’t actually exist, and b) it’s not what most people (even women) are watching and c) even pretending it exists, it’s just as violent as mainstream and therefore its existence is irrelevant since the two are just variations on different ways to treat women violently and as objects. Given how little “impact” this non-existant porn has on the industry and people in general, it’s clear that this question is purely a red herring designed as a way to justify a person’s individual use. No one wants to think of themselves as enjoying the suffering of women, so they pretend the group doesn’t include them by creating an imaginary category of “feminist porn.” Also it is clear that this “category” is so incredibly small that when we bring up a discussion of pornography, directing the conversation to the absolute smallest “niche” on the market ignores the reality of the 99.999% of what’s truly out there. Even if there was some tiny amount of “good porn” out there, no one is watching it. So whether it exists or not is irrelevant to the content of mainstream porn.